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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:51 am Post subject:
anneteoh wrote:
Malaysia has a sound democratic constitution with the guarantee of free speech, the freedom to practise one's religion of choice, the right to citizenship of all races etc... check it out. The country's major political party, the Alliance was deemed to be fully representative of the major races in Malaysia... don't forget, independent Malaysia started out with a genuine intention to preserve racial harmony; but obviosuly like politics world wide, it isn't perefct and some individuals or groups will bend things to get what they want; creating privileges for some and depriving many of their right to opportunities.
well, in theory of course Msia seems to have a sound democratic constitution but in reality that's not the case. the Alliance party represents their clans and takes care of themselves only.
I know you want to discuss of solutions for what we go thru' here but like Gwilo said there has to be someone somewhere who will have to make a change but for now and few generations to come, greed among the ruling ppl will ensure they stay in power and the poor remain as poor as possible.
Even the Malays (middle class) are leaving the country. we just do what we can do and move on.....
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject:
Anne,
First of all, let me again reiterate, after just only catching up with what has been transpiring so far, that again, although however altruistic you might HOPE it to be, your misguidance stems from the fact that you haven't lived here for a broad period of time...I may have not gone through the may riots, but i go through probably much more on a day to day basis. Can you say the same??
At first I was led to believe that your views were somewhat impartial, but having seen further what you have written, have come to the conclusion that rg was right in her appraisal of your condescension that lies beneath the words you type.
People speak from experience, me, rg, chika...so get it straight, there is no RIGHT or WRONG in this instance...it is the experience we have encountered that shapes our outlook and personal views on the matter at hand. So, in fact, YOU are WRONG by telling us OUR views are wrong...I have not belittled your opinions, but rather offered an explanation as to why perhaps you think the way you do. I suggest you do the same.
As for the banter I have with some of the people on this board, I actually know them personally, and the sarcasm (for those that know me anyway) is strictly tongue in cheek...but of course, I don't have to explain that to you...you seem to know everything ANYWAY.....
When you have gone through some of the online BATTLES with some of the crew on this board, in time your stripes will come. For the meantime, I suggest you toe the line.
Slurpee
You're free to say what you want - my impression of this thread is not positive I'm, afraid. I expected there'd be burning issues in this topic; I had tried to help the discussion going; and so have many others. But I'm an individual and I find cyber bullying disgusting. I hardly knew you, but since you mentioned me , I responded. That was all. Page 10 was blocked out - it had been tempered with and blocked out. I can understand what the Aborigines of Australia said that when they see corruption, they turn away.
I'm sorry to hear you're going through negative experiences from day to day - but I don't know what they are. I'm different from you so I might go through the same people you encountered, but my experience might be the same or different from yours. You can't generalize.
I don't tell people if they're right or wrong - I might suggest someone reading poetry to understand tone, or reading Shakspeare to be reminded of the futility of wars...
You're free to make up your own mind. Look at the evidence carefully if it's a public condemnation. I have no wish to indulge in the condemnation of Malaysia and its people, many of whom I find charming, courteous and generous. OF course there're nasties too.
Everyone has their own battlefield...so Krishna tells Arjuna. I'm a conscientious objector to war - so you tow the line with whoever suits you. I needn't have to tell you that I don't like being accused of things I didn't do and this all too tedious for words. Just move on and do your own thing with your group. I really wish you well and hope you'll have nicer experience.
Whatever the type of talk, people engage in it if it's meaningful to them. I don't find it meaningful to discuss issues at a personal level.
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:37 am Post subject:
anneteoh wrote:
Slurpee
You're free to say what you want - my impression of this thread is not positive I'm, afraid. I expected there'd be burning issues in this topic; I had tried to help the discussion going; and so have many others. But I'm an individual and I find cyber bullying disgusting. I hardly knew you, but since you mentioned me , I responded. That was all. Page 10 was blocked out - it had been tempered with and blocked out. [b]I can understand what the Aborigines of Australia said that when they see corruption, they turn away. [/b]
I'm sorry to hear you're going through negative experiences from day to day - but I don't know what they are. I'm different from you so I might go through the same people you encountered, but my experience might be the same or different from yours. You can't generalize.
I don't tell people if they're right or wrong - I might suggest someone reading poetry to understand tone, or reading Shakspeare to be reminded of the futility of wars...
You're free to make up your own mind. Look at the evidence carefully if it's a public condemnation. I have no wish to indulge in the condemnation of Malaysia and its people, many of whom I find charming, courteous and generous. OF course there're nasties too.
Everyone has their own battlefield...so Krishna tells Arjuna. I'm a conscientious objector to war - so you tow the line with whoever suits you. I needn't have to tell you that I don't like being accused of things I didn't do and this all too tedious for words. Just move on and do your own thing with your group. I really wish you well and hope you'll have nicer experience.
Whatever the type of talk, people engage in it if it's meaningful to them. I don't find it meaningful to discuss issues at a personal level.
Excuse me,
1) Page 10 was neither blocked nor modified. Irrelevant post's were removed as they had nothing to do with the thread.
2) Your attempts at trying to educate moderators on their role on a forum has nothing to do with the thread. You have been told no less than THREE TIMES to stick to the topic and to stop this tit-for-tat nonsense but you simply refused to do so and then turned your guns on me, as a moderator without realizing there are already established rules of conduct on this forum.
3) You are arguing with 2 fellow Malaysian ladies and not expats. Get your facts correct. They are entitled to their opinions as much as you are. If you don't like their opinions then you haven't grasped the concept of a forum. The Malaysia you talk about is a thing of the past. You clearly haven't understood the realities of Malaysia TODAY.
4) You don't find it neccessary to discuss "issues at a personal level" but you advocate the un-banning of Ahmad who was banned for taking things to a personal level. So which is it? Ban or un-ban? You are as inconsistent in your opinions as you are confused with your own stance.
5) Which aborigines do you refer to in reference to you comment about australians being corrupt? Please quote with sources and links to such articles.
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject:
Four_Feathers wrote:
4) You don't find it neccessary to discuss "issues at a personal level" but you advocate the un-banning of Ahmad who was banned for taking things to a personal level. So which is it? Ban or un-ban? You are as inconsistent in your opinions as you are confused with your own stance.
I see no inconsistency there.
I don't normally find it necessary to make (or take) things personally or to get personally insulting, but I also don't find it necessary or prudent to ban people who do.
It's the same as how I don't find it necessary to drink coffee but I don't find it necessary to imprison people who do. This is not a startling philosophical leap.
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Home Country: usa
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject:
rajulkabir wrote:
Four_Feathers wrote:
4) You don't find it neccessary to discuss "issues at a personal level" but you advocate the un-banning of Ahmad who was banned for taking things to a personal level. So which is it? Ban or un-ban? You are as inconsistent in your opinions as you are confused with your own stance.
I see no inconsistency there.
I don't normally find it necessary to make (or take) things personally or to get personally insulting, but I also don't find it necessary or prudent to ban people who do.
It's the same as how I don't find it necessary to drink coffee but I don't find it necessary to imprison people who do. This is not a startling philosophical leap.
Sorry mate, don't agree with you. Action had to be taken and the correct action WAS taken.
And the guilty party was warned no less than two times to stop it before a ban was requested for him.
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Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 2219 Location: Ampang KL Home Country: uk
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject:
rajulkabir wrote:
I see no inconsistency there.
I don't normally find it necessary to make (or take) things personally or to get personally insulting, but I also don't find it necessary or prudent to ban people who do.
It's the same as how I don't find it necessary to drink coffee but I don't find it necessary to imprison people who do. This is not a startling philosophical leap.
Your own way of dealing with this is rather unique though RK. Effective but unique...
Continuing in the philosophical vein, "There are some remedies worse than the disease" Publilius Syrus
However, Four Feathers was in a very unenviable position and did what he thought was right. To then be castigated by Anne is / was IMHO a bit much.
I only caught the end of it all but emotions were running very high and that clown was running rough shod over peoples emotions, again, IMHO something had to be done and FF did it, fair play to him.
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject:
Four_Feathers wrote:
Sorry mate, don't agree with you. Action had to be taken and the correct action WAS taken.
My central point was not about whether or not it was advisable to ban an abusive user.
My central point is that it's possible to think that being abusive is bad, without thinking that banning is the appropriate response. Hence your accusation of hypocrisy on anneteoh's part seems misplaced.
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Home Country: usa
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject:
rajulkabir wrote:
Four_Feathers wrote:
Sorry mate, don't agree with you. Action had to be taken and the correct action WAS taken.
My central point was not about whether or not it was advisable to ban an abusive user.
My central point is that it's possible to think that being abusive is bad, without thinking that banning is the appropriate response. Hence your accusation of hypocrisy on anneteoh's part seems misplaced.
No, I don't believe so.
She has to understand the concept of a forum. I get the impression she doesn't and thats really where the problem lies.
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it would be excellant if the effort would to be spend on topic itself 
